Fortunately, you don't need any medical knowledge whatsoever to decide if the anti-vaxxers are really onto something, or if they are tragically deranged. All you have to do is ask them about Bill Gates, who has invested great effort into having millions of children in poor countries vaccinated.
An anti-vaxxer who posted many comments on the previous post mentioned that Bill Gates's own family pediatrician said that Gates did not have his own children immunized - clear proof that he himself knows them to be dangerous!
The only problem? It's completely fabricated. There is no record of this unnamed pediatrician saying any such thing. It seems to have first appeared on some conspiracy website, then spread like wildlife among those who are happy to believe stories which fit their beliefs, even if there isn't any evidence for them.
This does not speak well for the ability of anti-vaxxers to evaluate factual truth.
But it gets much crazier than that!
It's easy to accept that lots of people believe that vaccines are harmful. But Bill Gates?! He gave a hundred million dollars to get millions of children vaccinated!
So according to the anti-vaxxers, this is entirely the point. Bill Gates deliberately worked at getting millions of children injected with harmful vaccines, in order to make them autistic and hopefully kill as many of them as possible.
It's hard to find words for how insane this is. You just have to read a little bit about the tremendous effort and care that Bill and Melinda Gates have put into helping children, to realize how preposterous it is to propose that they actually secretly want to harm and kill as many as possible.But it gets much crazier than that!
According to the anti-vaxxers, it's not even a secret at all. Bill Gates has been completely explicit about his desire to kill as many children as possible with vaccines. He has publicly stated that it's necessary to do so in order to reduce the world population. The anti-vaxxers cite a quote from Bill Gates at a 2019 TED Talk, in which he said that, "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care and reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."
Of course, this isn't what Gates actually said at all. I knew that even before checking the Snopes article to see exactly how it was distorted. He wasn't saying that "if we do a really great job on killing children and health care (what a crazy juxtaposition!), we can lower the population." His point was that if parents in third-world countries can be more confident that their children will survive childhood (thanks to vaccines), then they won't have so many. As Melinda Gates said: “If a mother and father know their child is going to live to adulthood, they start to naturally reduce their population size."
But it's not just that the antivaxxers distort what Gates said. The point is that anyone who thinks for a moment that Bill Gates wants millions of children to suffer and die, and moreover, that he would openly state this in a public speech (despite at all other times arguing that vaccines are healthy), is clearly utterly out of their mind.
And you don't listen to medical advice from people who are out of their mind.
Further Reading: How Bill and Melinda Gates Are Transforming Life for Billions in the 21st Century
I just fail to grasp the logic. There are all kinds of arguments for both sides, but the fact that Bill Gates accepted one side is sufficent?! Why? What special credibility does he have in this topic? Maybe he is also mistaken? Maybe he is not too smart? Maybe he has other investments that gain from this? Maybe his mistress is paid off by big Pharma?
ReplyDeleteI am not claiming any of that is true, I just think that your argument is invalid.
Alas, you completely missed my point.
DeleteSlifkin why do give attention to these loonbags? My goodness...
DeleteYes, I missed your point. You quote Gates as an authority, which he isn't.
DeleteUnless you just meant to counter the other claim that 'even Gates is against vaccination'. That claim is so irrelevant that it does not warrant an answer.
It has nothing to do with whether Gates is or is not an authority. It's about whether it's remotely reasonable to believe that he openly wants to harm children, and what it says about people who believe this.
DeleteThe larger point is that Bill Gates is just a sideshow. What he thinks or doesn't think is irrelevant, he's just one guy. The fundamental question is whether or not the risk of the vaccines outweigh the harm. Since even the most respected organs of the medical establishment have admitted that the "research" can't be trusted, why should the anti-vaxxers accept the "trust us" claims that the pros outweigh the cons?
DeleteAgree with them or not, the anti-vaxxers have raised serious points. Yet the true believers here reacted with true medieval hysteria at anyone questioning their gods. They've drunk deep from the liberal ethos of attempting to shut down or intimidate dissent by making it illegal - proclaiming it אסור, in other words. RNS, you may well be right in your disagreements with the anti-vaxxers, but ask yourself from your life experience - is the name-calling and hysteria of their opponents the tactics and types of people you want to associate with?
@DF,
DeleteBillions of people over the past 5+ decades have been vaccinated. Statistically speaking, vaccines are empirically proven to be safe.
Are all vaccines perfectly safe for all people? That's an anti-vaxxer straw man. None of the medical experts think so. However, anti-vaxxers twist this into the claim that no vaccines are safe for anyone. They are irrational, illogical, and unwilling to learn. They are a threat to public health, and should be treated as such.
So you've gone from calling people you disagree with "illiterate" and attempting to dismiss them as mere "conspiracy theorists", to calling them "illogical" and a threat to public heath. Progress...
Delete@DF the only evidence that vaccines cause mental retardation are the many antivaxxers who have recieved vaccinations.
DeleteWhy do you willfully choose to be an idiot? Do you think its revolutionary to counter the mainstream?
@DF,
DeleteThe threat is proven, as there have been many measles outbreaks and several deaths over the past 12-18 months, caused by a loss of herd immunity.
That they are illogical is proven, because they dogmatically maintain a position whose reasoning is based on fear, lies and hysteria. That's not a logical thing to do.
Do you have any counter-arguments, or are you just upset that morons are called out as morons?
Every time you comment you prove the point again.
DeleteI don't have any "counter" arguments, because I never made any arguments on the subject at all, period. I have no special knowledge on vaccines. The only thing of interest to me sociologically is the rabid nature of the believers in the medical establishment. The anti-vaxxers make arguments, accept them or not; the opponents, on the other hand, respond with insults, like you just did. Zealousness was once thought a hallmark of religion; now, it is quite apparent (not from here) things have turned entirely.
Anti-vaxxers make unsubstantiated claims, or show a complete lack of understanding of statistics. That's excluding the ones who don't just lie outright. None of them "make arguments". Unless you think "because I read it on the Internet" is an argument. In which case, you should fit right in with them.
DeleteQualified opponents of anti-vaxxers have rebutted every claim made about the safety of vaccines. They back up their rebuttals with testable evidence. Those of us who can follow the science aren't going to rebut morons on a random blog point-by-point. Because morons on a random blog aren't looking for knowledge; they are looking to spread ignorance.
Zealousness has never been uniquely tied to religion, so I am not sure why you seem surprised that there are zealots in other areas of life.
How about this, let's allow the Vaccine manufacturers to be taken to court and sued just like every other company, why should they not be held accountable? And why have billions been paid out to people with vaccine injuries? Also, some actual tests that prove vaccines are safe would be a good thing too.
DeleteThis is really sad. There are some really far out people who are labeled "anti-vaxers". So what. There are however, many with it, sane, educated, careful people who say vaccines are potentially OK, just let me see a demonstration of their safety as well as their efficacy.
ReplyDeleteWhere are the safety studies of vaccines vs a true saline placebo (not against another vaccine solution with potential harmful ingredients). They should be publicly available. Somebody please post the links. When I see them so I can read them, I will believe they are safe.
Why don't the anti-vaxxers volunteer their kids to get the placebo?
DeleteOh, wait a sec: They already can, as their kids aren't vaccinated! Let the study begin!
DeleteWe have decades of circumstantial evidence for the safety of vaccines.
DeleteYou know, there are zero studies on the effects of high velocity balls of lead to the human head. So let's start shooting people (in controlled studies, of course0 because we don't have any studies that it's not safe!
There have been some studies that have shown more problems with vaccinated vs un-vaccinated populations see
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The CDC has refused to do those studies as the results might "scare" the population into distrusting vaccines see
NIH Director Dr Bernadine Healy speaks to Sharyl Attkisson about autism susceptibility
There has clearly been damage from vaccines, the question is how much. VAERS only reports what is submitted, and not all submitted are caused by vaccines BUT not all harm from vaccines are submitted. See
About The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
which has given out more than 4 Billion dollars in vaccine damage.
Clearly more work has to be done but to conclude that the risk benefit is clearly in favor of vaccines is to ignore a lot of scientific data out there.
No article which contains the quote Was this a rejection of the data as Big Pharma would hope? can be taken seriously. It's clearly a conspiracy website, and thus starts with a credibility of negative infinity.
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DeleteBill and Melinda Gates 3 kids are vaccinated. Do more research on science rather than anti vaxer's pages. The ignorance of this topic is painful. Go back to school
DeleteDoing a study like that would be unethical. It would mean NOT vaccinating half of the kids. Also, it is unequivocally not necessary. In terms of years of life saved there is absolutely nothing that doctors do that is even close to vaccination. A big part of the problem is that vaccines are SO effective that almost everyone has forgotten how bad these diseases were, so it is easy to make believe that not vaccinating is OK.
ReplyDeleteYou stated: "almost everyone has forgotten how bad these diseases were" thus implying vaccines saved us from these diseases(as we are taught in school)
DeleteYou may not know this, but Vaccines were only introduced when these diseases reached rock-bottom levels. This is documented in U.S. Statistical records represented by reports such as the Vital Statistics of the United States, Historical Statistics of the United States, US Department of Health and Human Services records; Vital Records & Health Data Development Section, and the US Census Bureau,Statistical Abstract of the United States.
The information and facts are available for free on the internet in a book by vaccine-neutral nephrologist Dr. Suzanne Humphreys, read it free here :
https://archive.org/details/SuzanneHumphriesMDDissolvingIllusionsDiseaseVaccinesAndTheForgottenHistory2013Pdf (downloadable on the right hand side of the page, under "'pdf")
The real progress came not from vaccines, but from better hygiene, improved living conditions, health education, improved housing standards eg. regarding minimum living spaces, the invention and sale of home refrigeration to the masses, improved working conditions like maximum working hours, higher income levels with associated improved health, the motor vehicle and its accessibility into the natural environment.
I would be curious to hear what you think about Marcia Angell and her take on vaccines.
ReplyDeleteYour argument depends on the assumption that every anti-vaxxer supports the Bill Gates fallacy. That is highly unlikely!
ReplyDeleteNo it doesn't.
DeleteI will make a counter argument: you are illiterate, and that's why you fall for conspiracy theories. My evidence is the body of your comments. I welcome counter-evidence.
I did study a paper on adjuvant the complication occur in one of 600000 case, and not all are serious, the deadly complications of infectious diseases are far more frequent. For measles only one of 500 cases. But perhaps are the antivax happy to reduce population by returning to the prewar situation when infants mortality was 30%.
ReplyDeleteI read Jeffrey Epstein was also An anti-vaxxer
ReplyDeleteGates is clearly a magnanimous person who understands that his life-saving vaccines saves lives, but he is also a moron.
ReplyDeleteGranted he is brilliant at computers, but that doesn't mean his hashkafas hachaim is worth anything at all. And certainly to a frum Jew, it's a total waste of time.
Gates is worried about population growth. Let's limit humanity. There are too many people. You hear that drivel? Hashem commanded mankind "Pru urivu", to multiply and fill the world. But Gates is pensive.
Liberal idiots think they know better. Or they deny G-d by pretending that the world runs without a Manager. Classic liberal trash from a goyish head.
There are billions of humans. We've multiplied and we've been fruitful. Why do so many religious zealots believe there's also a commandment to be stupid?
DeleteAnd the purpose of this blog post wasn't to extoll Gates's views on anything. It was to point out how absurd it is to claim that he's an anti-vaxxer.
Actually, Chazal criticize Yosef for having marital relations in a time of famine. So just like Bill Gates, they believe that a lack of resources can override pru urvu.
DeleteNot to mention that according to the gemara, ever since Sinai pru urvu does not apply to goyim, such as the Africans who Gates helps!
You're a fool. Overpopulation is a real thing -- go read a book. Hashem said peru urvu to Adam when there was no one around!! A very sensible command for that time. When population almost triple since the 70s that is pretty intense. And no one (perhaps some crazies) is saying to have zero children -- just less per family. Pretty reasonable.
DeleteYour anti-goy diatribe is typical of the 'new' 'frum' Jew who likes to speak for Hashem. 'Hashem's words are contextualized to a scarcely populated world of physical emptiness, where 'fruitfulness' was a requirement to perpetuate and support the family nexus in a hostile world - a world of short lives, cruel death and dying with almost zero recourse to treatment of illness. Hashem never envisioned a world where people would live longer and healthier and as a result its resources would be depleted and its natural climate knocked off kilter by the impact of man-made industry and the eradication of natural habitats.
DeleteHalachic mistake. During a famine, a person may fulfill pru urvu. Only afterwards are they enjoined from living a pleasureful life while others are suffering. Lack of resources does not override pru urvu.
DeleteResponses are so ridiculous, especially the notion that Hashem chalilah didn't envision today's world. I wouldn't waste my time debating a heretic.
DeleteBut in general, even if you don't like the "pru urivu" argument, understand that there are certain things best left to G-d.
A classic example is Global Warming. Granted that some scientists argue for it (others appose) but the notion that we should be worried about it is a very liberal, non Jewish and non sensible viewpoint. After all, Global Warming IS out of our control (no matter what some freak claims). So being worried shows that you don't really trust G-d.
Somewhat similarly, if Hashem demonstrated His favor for the expansion of humankind, then the notion of "population control" is very wrong. One who is worried that humanity on the continent of Africa is over-expanding is probably a liberal atheist or agnostic y'msh.
Who told you global warming is out of our control? We certainly can do something to curb carbon emissions and repair the enviroment.
DeleteAnd the notion that global warming is just a disagreement between scientists, when a) the vast majority of scientists in this field claim that manmade climate change is a threat, and b) those who oppose are almost always funded by the same group of corporations who cannot have their business model change should give people pause.
MOST scientists argue for CLIMATE CHANGE, which also includes Global Warming. It is not an 'argument'. it is not 'liberal', it is a reality. It may well be out of our control now, but we are the cause. And you are right, I don't trust God, in the sense that he has no reason or notion to care about such stupidities that we undertake to poison ourselves and kill each other. creations -
DeleteNormally I wouldn't respond to such stupidity, other than to call it the writer as being an idiot. I don't believe it's a good idea to engage with fools or to give their scrawl any credit. But I'm making an exception in your case as you as so so so offensive.
ReplyDeleteYour Judaism is straight out of kindergarten. And that is the problem with so much Haredi or Religious Zionist Judaism today. It's practitioners simply never grew up.
It's says 'pru urvu', so that's that?
It also says 'l'ovda ul'shomra'.
G-d manages the world so we should adopt a laissez Faire attitude to everything?
Being concerned about our impact on the world and the resources G-d gave us is not a sign of liberal idiocy. It's a mark of responsibility. And sadly it's a mark missing in most religious Jews brains who disregard anything not written in the Mishna Brura. (Another sign that they are big babies, by the way.)
You level of dumb-ness is an embarrassment and a chilul Hashem.
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Delete-Could we all agree that No studies have been done (besides one ingredient, once - yes that's one single one) on the negative effects of injecting those chemicals into growing babies and children?
ReplyDelete-Could we ALSO agree that a lot of the diseases we struggled with are gone due to vaccines?
Now let's have an intelligent conversation about which risk group is worse.
We started with a few vaccines, then 12, now it's 72, with projection over a hundred soon.
Personally I'm not sure, if you take the side of autism and developmental delayes there are today... As an example, if you have a simple plastic heart valve Stent put in, you become sterile. You heard me, the plastic leaking from the valve will cause you not to have kids (which is why we use pig's). But when it comes to vaccines, because it's taking care of one terrible side (the diseases) we can't focus on the side effects?
Studies can't be done because it would violate the "ethics board", fine. This is an extremely important issue. But let's talk about it without being called nuts or crazy. It's like blind faith without any rational thought.
As far as the famous "no link has been determined" - simply means we haven't seen a link, not "we've proven there's no link". Especially since NO Studies have been done to check.
I understand them, they say why think about a sofek if you know a Vaday it's helping in some ways. But this is Totally not sciences attitude in general issues. We always want to see more proof. In this case Any proof.
This discussion is soo infuriating at this point because both legitimate sides are missing each other's point. Like they're talking passed each other.
I don't remember the link, but I have seen links to studies that have been done on the safety of vaccines. It has become a mantra of certain people that no studies have been done, but they have.
DeleteAnd multiple studies have shown no link between autism and vaccines. What does that tell you? That there is a link but we haven't seen it?! So Tutankahmen may be standing right in front of you. not having seen it just says that you didn't see him, not that he isn't there.
Please stop. The things you are saying amount to nonsensical word salad. For example, there is no such thing a "simple plastic heart valve Stent". This is a meaningless collection of words strung together.
DeleteThere are coronary artery stents, which are tube-shaped scaffolds made of metal. There are artificial heart valves, which can be mechanical (made of metal and plastic) or bioprosthetic (made largely from non-human animal, such as bovine or porcine, tissue). None of these "will cause you not to have kids" (nor will they cause you to oink like a pig, for that matter).
The other things you are saying are, unfortunately, equally nonsensical and meaningless. Really, please stop.
Should of specified "placebo study". (Good luck with an old school double blinded placebo study).
ReplyDeleteWhy do babies need a placebo study? How would the placebo effect prevent them from contracting mumps? They are babies.
DeleteThere does seem to be evidence that not all is as it seems with the Gates program. Of course those who hold that the anti-vaxxers are evil etc won't dare to look.
ReplyDeletehttps://vaccineimpact.com/2019/bill-and-melinda-gates-foundation-and-world-health-organization-work-together-to-conceal-vaccine-death-statistics-in-poor-countries/
I don't have the reference to hand but I did come across research that showed that the chance of a serious reaction to the vaccine was in proportion to the numbers of vaccines given in one go, so the above makes sense.
Again I'm not anti vaccine but I do think there is a witch hunt on here. Reading some of the comments I think if you replaced 'anti-vaxxers' with 'the devil' you could be forgiven for thinking it was a galach speaking....
And lest I forget, your "Jews Good, Goyim Bad" attitude is so disgusting and simplistic that only an adult with the understanding of a 3rd Grader would say something like that.
ReplyDeleteThe nutso anti-vaxxers are not going to be persuaded because they are nuts. Like everything to do with nuts people, either you are willing to coerce them or you're just wasting your time.
ReplyDeleteThe saner anti-vaxxers are not going to be persuaded because for the 100th or so time, you have not addressed their argument. I will therefore, once again, present it as simply as possible:
Like any other medical procedure, vaccinations come with risks and benefits. The medical establishment claims that the benefits of vaccination are so great and the risks so minor that the choice is obvious to any rational person. However, we happen to know that the medical establishment lies frequently and sometimes even mendaciously. We also happen to know of a number of cases in which children have been terribly effected by vaccines and, instead of taking these on board in their risk estimates, the medical establishment resorts to outlandish gaslighting of the parents in question. As such, as a parent I elect not to subject my child to the risks of vaccines, since doing so has a minimal effect on his/her risk of contracting the diseases in question.
A real response to this, however, is never forthcoming from any of the vaccine activists. Case in point: in England children are not vaccinated against chicken pox, and yet in Israel if you do not give your child this vaccine you will be attacked as a wicked anti-vaxxer. Is the NHS staffed by malicious anti-vaxxers or did it decided that (get this!) the risks of giving the vaccine are great enough to make it not worth it.. And if it is true of one vaccine, may it not be true of another? Or let's look it another way. The NHS insists on bundling measles vaccinations with those for Mumps and Rubella. They will not give you a separate vaccination even if you ask for it (even though it is SO important that everyone be vaccinated)! And yet, in Japan they given them separately. Is the Japanese government composed of malicious anti-vaxxers or do they (get this!) believe the risks of giving the MMR vaccine are great enough as to make it not worth it?
You state the cost-benefit analysis of the anti-vaxxers more or less accurately, so far as I can tell as a non-combatant. So agree with them or not, what exactly is "nutso" about that position?
Delete"Case in point: in England children are not vaccinated against chicken pox, and yet in Israel if you do not give your child this vaccine you will be attacked as a wicked anti-vaxxer. "
ReplyDeleteIs it not true that different countries require different mixes of vaccinations to protect their populations? For example:
"The CDC and WHO recommend the following vaccinations for South Africa: hepatitis A, hepatitis B, typhoid, yellow fever, rabies, meningitis, polio, measles, mumps and rubella (MMR), Tdap (tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis), chickenpox, shingles, pneumonia and influenza." https://www.passporthealthusa.com/destination-advice/south-africa/
Just because there are different susceptibilities to different diseases in different geographical areas does not in itself suggest a conspiracy. At. All.
I didn't suggest it suggested a conspiracy. At. All.
DeleteI pointed out that different governments, in fact, disagree about whether the benefits of certain vaccinations outweigh the costs. If I agree with the government of England, but I live in America, then I am an 'anti-vaxxer'. (Your point is irrelevant, because in this case the issue has nothing to do with different susceptibilities because of climate or anything else.)
See this short article by politifact.com debunking, presumably, the claims by another internet news outlet that Bill Gates refused to vaccinate his own children. I'm not defending the publication that made the claim. I don't know that publication. But the argument presented by politifact.com is completely weak. If you scroll down in the article and click the Instagram where Bill Gates wife, Melinda, speaks about how sad she felt after, having a baby daughter herself it made to think that 800,000 children had died from rotavirus smd going on about her and Bill's Devotion to having all children of the world vaccinatef, she did not say that she had in fact had her own child vaccinated. It was barely implied. And if you scroll down and you click on the actual Instagram where she had made that statement, another user asks her about the vaccination saying she was interested in it and wanted to know at what age Melinda Gates daughter had had been vaccinated and how far apart the shots, and there is no reply from Melinda. I haven't seen any statements anywhere of Bill or Melinda Gstes assuring the public that their children it have indeed been vaccinated. If anyone can show me an article I would be interested even so I don't trust Bill Gates and I will follow that up on the next post
ReplyDeletehttps://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/may/02/yournewswirecom/Website-falsely-claims-Bill-Gates-refused-to-vacci/
Furthermore, Bill Gates argument that vaccinations help reduce the population of course are going to sound suspicious to any reasonable person. He says this in one article and then the Gates defenders, snopes.com say it's bcause he has made it clear in prior articles that his theory is that in underdeveloped or less developed countries if poor families have assurances, via having their children vaccinated, that they will not have a high rate of infant mortality or childhood deaths and that their children will survive then they will not need to have as many children. This is the most ridiculous argument I ever heard and it has have many detractors. Because if all these children are dying from diseases that are preventable by vaccination, the two things would cancel each other out. The deaths presumably due to lack of vaccination would lower the population every bit as much as vaccinating children so that poor families do not feel a need to have as many children. It's ridiculous. Just look at this short article please.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vaccinations-depopulation/
Finally, I am in total agreement with zichron dvorim's comments above. The pro-vaccine establishment has lately been engaging in a witch hunt in mainstream media, especially in the U.S, of the anti-vaxxers as they are derogatorily called. They are constantly insulting these people and hurling epithets at them calling them brain-damaged and retards and all of this other stuff. It's unnecessary. The movement started through circumstantial evidence of little children getting sick. Some have died. The mothers and the fathers naturally became worried about this because their children became ill shortly after a series of vaccinations. The percentages of autism and childhood diabetes here in America are off the charts. There are many respectable MDs that are also of the view that vaccinations are not entirely safe and that their effectiveness in preventing disease is questionable. I personally know a lot of people, adults who become every bit as sick as if they had the actual flu just a few days to a week after taking the flu vaccination, for example. I'm talking about 6 out of 10 people, because I am a college professor. I myself became ill with a fever for 3 months, bronchitis, sinusitis and unable to hear after I was forced to have an MMR vaccination when entering graduate school because I could not produce my childhood medical records to prove I had had chicken pox and measles as a child. Another issue here in America is that the medical system is in total chaos. Even while computerizing everything they do not keep accurate records of the patients here. The insurance system is in such shambles that doctors go in and out of insurance nerworks, so that Americans constantly have to There are many logical arguments against vaccinations and in reality this idea that by putting in a small amount of viral microbes into the body it will automatically produce antibodies is just about the only thing that they have studied about vaccinations. There are also no studies test studies conducted about the possible long-term effects of these vaccinations. The test studies are only concerned with whether or not the test subjects become critically ill or die immediately following the vaccination. Studies have been done by medical doctors who have alternative views (who are also ostracized in mainstream media) who say that the vaccinations produced today are often a mixture of actual viruses and synthetically produced ones that the body cannot recognize, and when you put in so many different strains at a time as they do with the flu vaccination, also with the MMR which is three diseases at once as well ss giving so many different kinds so close together to small children, that the immune system goes into overdrive, producing every kind of antibody that it's capable of producing all at once, overwhelming the immune system, severely weakening it, corrupting it and leaving it susceptible to all manner of diseases and infections. I am a devoted anti-vaxxer based on the circumstantial evidence of those around me. My elderly mother never had a vaccination in her life and never got the flu in her life until she was convinced by a doctor to take the flu vaccination. She had to be hospitalized. There are many sound reasons for going against vaccinations and if only the mainstream doctors, big Pharma and Bill Gates would stop conducting this war against antivaxxers and against freedom of speech maybe some of the peer reviewed studies being done by independent doctors whose research is NOT financed by large pharmaceutical companies would come to light.In the meantime people who have gotten sick and who have seen their family, friends students co-workers get sick as a result of vaccinations and furthermore have engaged in their own resesrch via the also severely censored and sanctioned alternative thinking doctors, should have the right to say no to vaccinations.
ReplyDeleteFurtermore, I don't see the benevolence of Bill Gates at all. I find his ideas to be twisted.
Amen!
DeleteGod bless you!!! Well said
DeleteI am in total agreement with "Unknown March 29, 2020 at 10:48 AM". There is no question whatsoever that vaccines save lives, (probably far more-so than they harm people). But there is also no doubt that we are dealing with certain people with special interest agendas. Does that make Bill Gates evil? Not necessarily. But there is a lot of circumstantial evidence, surrounding these issues (as well as issues like COVID-19) that suggest that nefarious possibilities, means and motivations, could exist; Especially if you are a researcher and student of history. Only a fool would blindly trust Governments, Politicians, individuals in the Financial Elite, ordinary people. The term "Conspiracy Theorist" was invented by the very same people who came up with the defamation of character known as "antisemite" or "antisemitism" which would be like saying that because I am critical of a Catholic Priest guilty of pedophilia, - that I must be anti-Catholic. It's preposterous, and literally a form of "hate speech" (shaming someone psychologically with a guilt trip for something they didn't do, or for an emotion/ feeling/ or rationality they do not have).
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