People are rightly up in arms about Kanye West's enthusiasm for Hitler and Trump's refusal to denounce Fuentes. The actions of both West and Trump will lead to a massive upsurge in antisemitism. Their many fans - many of whom have probably never even heard of Hitler - will start looking into who Hitler was and decide that their loyalty to their heroes means supporting their positions.
But do you know what's even more painful and damaging? That when their fans start to look into whether Hitler was really the bad guy that the mainstream media insist he was, they'll be shown a video saying that Hitler was right about the Jews. And it's a video produced by an Orthodox Rabbi.
When I originally drew attention to this, Reuven responded with glee. He claimed that it was a good thing that antisemites see that Jews are willing to call out problems in their own society. But while it is definitely true that we should be calling out problems ourselves rather than leaving it others to do so, that is not what Reuven did! He fabricated Jewish crimes. Rather than exposing the hatred and lies of antisemitism, he actively gave it false legitimacy.
As I've said before, there's nothing that can be done to repair the incalculable terrible damage to our nation that Yaron Reuven has wrought. It's too late.
But we have to stop him from causing any more.
Yaron Reuven's YouTube and Facebook videos and accounts must be removed
for spreading antisemitic conspiracy theories and inciting hatred and
violence. He needs to be ousted from the Rabbinical Alliance of America (of which he proudly declares membership and legitimacy). He needs to be denounced, defrocked and condemned. We need to send a strong message to future would-be Reuvens that this behavior will have consequences.
You can reach the Rabbinical Alliance of America at Rabbi@Igud.US, 1-833-RAA-IGUD or by completing the form at this page. And if anyone has any influence with the Sefardic rabbis from whom Reuven received endorsements or other Sefardic rabbis of prestige, please speak to them.
I didn't need Rabbi Yaron Reuven to teach me this, as I concluded this on my own decades ago.
ReplyDeletePlease explain how you know with certainty the Jews didn't contribute to the moral rot in Germany way out of proportion to their size? You don't. You can't. You're reacting defensively, not providing any evidence to counter the claims.
I grew up assimilated in Beverly Hills, the modern incarnation of the center of Jews pushing moral degeneracy, and it is indeed Jews who do this most enthusiastically. Does it not say in the Talmud that Jews who cast off the yoke of Torah would destroy the world if they could?
None of what Kanye West said would have gained traction if the Jews didn't react so viscerally to his statements by trying to cancel and deplatform him. It's literally the Streisand Effect write large. He is also surrounded by Jews and has been since he became a celebrity. They weren't bothered when he was pushing filth and degeneracy himself. Only when he started pulling back from that. Then he noticed that his agent, manager, personal trainer, and so on, are all Jews, and all meant him ill will even before his recent statements.
Did Kanye's endorsements of porn, cop killing, drugs, and the like bother you? Or are you just perturbed by statements he made due to his negative experiences with degenerate Jews?
Reuven claimed that the morally degenerate clubs of Berlin "were all run by Jewish people." No, they weren't! To be sure, some of them were. And Jews may even have been over-represented in this area. But that would be just as Jews were over-represented in MANY areas, including the sciences and many other things. And they certainly weren't running "all" or even most such clubs! That was propaganda, spread by antisemitic opponents of the Weimar Republic.
DeleteEven if your anti-semitic comments about Jews 'pushing moral degeneracy' was true, how could it possibly apply to attacking all Jews or agreeing with Hitler's incineration of millions of Jews, Slavs, Roma and other upstanding and innocent people? The 'claims' are spurious and non-sensical - they cannot be 'counter-claimed' when they are so broadly wrong - Reuven literally mimics nazi propaganda. Literally. Furthermore, Nazism despised and ridiculed the pious communities in equal measures. Nazism despised ALL Jews. Nazism despised even those Jews who were not even halachically Jewish by blood association. Your application of Jewish degeneracy is straight out of Mein Kampf.
DeleteThe Jews due to their IQ and moral traits are very prominent in many human endevors. Moral degeneracy is one of them. But the Scandinavian countries are at the head of the pack without any Jewish population. Jews are outliers in both causing a lot of damage and being very beneficial to a society at the same time. It should be up to the individual countries to decide if they want to have a Jewish population.
DeleteWhat an appropriately weird comment. You want us to prove a historical claim isn't true? How about you first provide evidence that it IS true? No wonder you follow the hateful vox day.
DeleteHitler hated Jews because they were Jews. The epitome of a Jew to him was a "Talumdist". Someone quite removed from moral denigration. Hitler's stated reasons for hating Jews was because he thought it was due to a Jewish conspiracy that Germany lost WWI, a conspiracy that the Jews controlled the world through capitalism and communism, and the superiority of the 'Aryan race'. It's quite absurd and anti-Semitic for someone to justify Hitler by claiming that the Jews were at fault because they contributed to moral indecency, and it is even more absurd that some Jews themselves suffer from Stockholm syndrome and say that the anti-Semites are justified.
Delete"from moral denigration"
Delete*degeneration
@Shimshon
DeleteYou're wasting your virtual breath. You could produce a 400,000 word essay with 4 footnotes for each sentence on the role of Jews in Weimar Germany and it wouldn't make them consider the possibility that any of the bad things that have happened to Jews ever were even partially their fault. 'The only common denominator in all your dysfunctional relationships is you' is not a complicated point to understand; if people don't, it's because they don't want to. And, after all, you of all people should appreciate that ethnocentrism is a natural and healthy part of being human. You may not like it but 'I was kicked out of 120 countries and every single time it was all everyone else's fault' is peak ethnocentrism. Charedim and Chardal are no different btw.
Secondly, you should understand that Kanye ranting about how he loves Hitler with a sock over his head isn't an unintended consequence of the anti-Semitism industry piling in on him, it's the intended consequence. The purpose of the anti-Semitism industry is (1) to make money and (2) to prevent any significant number of gentiles from making a sober cost-benefit analysis of the Jewish influence of their society. This might lead to things like the quotas Harvard used to have. The response is to collapse the middle ground between 'nothing to see here' and David Duke. The second someone asks if there are any implications of 5 out of 10 of the top U.S. political donors being Jewish [!], the strategy is to turn them into social lepers, so the only people who accept them are hardcore conspiratorial anti-semites whose views they adopt. The normie population see only two groups of people: basically normal ones saying there's nothing behind the curtain, and repulsive lunatics making incomprehensible points about Zyklon B. Hence equilibrium is preserved and Sam Bankman Fried gets to buy whatever politicians he wants.
Of course, the downside of this 'misinformation inoculation' strategy (which is used on a wide variety of fronts btw) is that it generates a population of about 100,000 people with obsessive hatred of Jews and nothing to lose, and every so often one of these goes on a shooting spree. But is that really such a problem? After all, every time one happens, ADL donations go up.
Ah ok, thanks for that rant Gavriel. I didn't chap how nuts you really are.
DeleteWow, so many self-hating Jew conspiracy theorists on this site! Quite obviously, Jews just happen to be disproportionately successful in American society. But that does not warrant all this hate!
DeleteIndeed, Hitler claimed that he became an anti-Semite when he saw a chassid in Vienna and realized Jews would never assimilate.
DeleteHe was almost certainly lying, but it's something to bear in mind when laying blame based on his claims.
The rest...OK, so maybe Jews messed up, and maybe American Jews still do. But that's for Jews and God. Nothing excuses murdering six million of them.
Please delete gavriel's rant; we don't need the spewings of a mentally ill self hating jew on here.
DeletePoint and splutter, point and splutter.
DeleteBut it's fine, as I said, ethnocentrism is normal and healthy. You should continue to believe that it's all everyone else's fault. Actually, they just hate us because we are so much more moral, like Jeffrey Epstein, and Leon Black, and Bankman Fried, and Howie Rubin. Gentiles just can't handle us improving their societies, so they lash out. Sad!
Leyzer, that's a lot easier than answering his actual point. Did Jews mess up, big time, by becoming hugely influential in Germany? Are they making the same mistake in the US? Obviously none of this excuses the Holocaust, and I'm pretty sure God wasn't offended either, but is there a lesson we can learn? Feel free to tell me what lesson we can learn.
DeleteIf you really want to see how bigoted Gavriel M is, take a look at this comment from him:
Deletehttp://www.rationalistjudaism.com/2018/03/is-there-overlooked-jewish-farrakhan.html?showComment=1520587518926#c4335852957515205670
Where did Gavriel make any substantive points? There's nothing to refute.
DeleteJust so we're clear: precisely which anti semitic atrocities are we blaming on the Jews? The Holocaust: goes without saying. What about the crusades, Spanish inquisition, Chelminitzki massacres, and all the pogroms? Just how much of our own blood is on our own hands?
Delete@Aaron
DeleteIf you think that's wild, you're going to trip when you read this book called the "Tanach". It has all these characters called "nevi'im" who don't stop at blaming Jews for getting into scrapes with goyim, they even blame them for famines, and plagues and earthquakes. And there's this prayer called "tahanun" that self hating Jews smuggled into the siddur. Talk about defamation and conspiracy theories!
Wow - and apparently, these "nevi'im" were some smart aleck online internet trolls who tried desperately to show everyone how contrarian and smart they were. You learn something new every day.
Delete@Gavriel, Tanach ascribes these calamities to our spiritual misdeeds, not our physical misdeeds. You give new definition to self hating Jew.
DeleteIn addition to the reprehensible statements already made, Gavriel M likens himself to a navi, as if God speaks to him. Sure! Maybe not yet, but at a later date he may have something to say to you.
Delete"Tanach ascribes these calamities to our spiritual misdeeds, not our physical misdeeds. You give new definition to self hating Jew"
DeleteWhat does this even mean? Is embezzling 8 billion dollars of people's savings a "spiritual" misdeed or a "physical" misdeed? What about running a brothel?
"In addition to the reprehensible statements already made, Gavriel M likens himself to a navi, as if God speaks to him."
Again, what does this even mean? Are you saying it is reprehensible to say Jews should be introspective unless you have a prophecy? A new and interesting trend in rationalist Judaism!
Again, if anyone doubted that human beings are fundamentally ethnocentric then this thread should put the matter beyond doubt.
Let's separate things: there are Heavenly reasons, and there are earthly reasons. Heavenly reasons are the true reasons that Things Happen, as explained to us by the Neviim (more on this in another comment). Earthly reasons are the reasons that people give to explain why they did things.
DeleteIn the Holocaust's case, the two categories are usually VERY different.
Heavenly reasons may have been the moral degeneracy of the prewar generation. It may have been the development of Haskalah and Reform. It may have been the hostility to the nascent movement that was trying to rebuild Eretz Yisrael.
Nazi reasons for hating Jews included being different, controlling money, controlling media, having tanked the Weimar economy, etc. Given that the Weimar economy barely had a chance to succeed given the punitiveness of the post-WWI treaty, we can say that it wasn't the Jews' fault.
Note how these are different! And for those who do say that Hitler ALSO was upset about the Jews' running nightclubs and contributing to moral degeneracy or whatever, then you have to find actual statistics. Also, that goes against A LOT of what we know about him (granted, maybe apocryphal?) - like the chassid story above, or the line that I heard about him claiming that the Jews gave the world two terrible presents: Circumcision and a Conscience. What that means is that he WANTED moral depravity and was blaming the Jews for making society recognize what was good and what was inappropriate!
Sure, we should call ourselves out when we do something wrong. But making things up to blame about ourselves is completely nuts.
On the issue of Heavenly reasons, as I described in my other comment, we need to have Neviim to clarify things for us. Thus for the Churban, we have "al azvan es Torasi." We have the Gemara teaching us about the Big Three. We have the Gemara explaining to us about sin'as chinam being the reason for the second Churban.
DeleteBut ever after that? It is not for us to declare about anyone else what Hashem's reasons are unless asked as a shaylah and applied only to the one asking. Can we really feel that we have the moral and religious stature to unequivocally state "I know why this tragedy occurred!" and explain the Crusades, the Spanish Expulsion, any other Expulsion, Tach v'Tat, other pogroms, The Holocaust, September Eleventh, and Hurricane Katrina? A person can go to a gadol and ask what to work on - or even make a kabalah on his or her own. For armchair pundits to declare this tragedy was the victims' fault for THIS REASON is hubris and insulting. As I delineated in the other comment, it is possible to come up with multiple Heavenly explanations. And some are conflicting and some are inconsistent. How can we explain that it was due to the moral depravity of the German Jews, but the Polish Jews who certainly did not experience 1920's culture the same way, were equally punished? Why don't we go to town on the society who turned their backs on Eretz Yisrael? Maybe if everyone made aliya from 1890 to 1928, there would have been no Holocaust?
We Do Not Have Neviim today. We Do Not Have Chazal today.
Anyway anyway, even if we accept that tragedies that "befall" us are, in the Heavenly accounting system, our fault, that doesn't mean we scream them out for antisemites to use as weapons against us. If a rabbinic leader exhorts his followers to reduce their attendance of clubs and movies and whatever and proceeds to compare this to 1920's Germany, 1300's Spain, and Hellenist Judea, that's one thing. Perhaps it will cause an increase in avodas Hashem.
DeleteBut when someone shouts on the internet that it is All Our Fault, then antisemites find this and increase hatred and violence and even legislation against the Jews - this is a new tragedy the world has not seen since the days of Bar Kamtza's little trip to Rome. Could we theorize that those who make these videos have the status of moser? If Israel loses out on foreign aid over this, is that not terrible? If shechitah becomes illegal over this, is that not terrible? If there is another bombing, another shooting, another murder, another mugging, because of this, is that not terrible?
Unfortunately, in those cases, nebich it WILL have been our fault.
On the theology stuff, meh. You are saying that hashgacha clalit only works through direct causes and not through human politics. That's basically the opposite of the rationalist approach, and I'm not sure it fits so well with Chazal's concept of midd k'neged middah either. But I think theology is a bit of an unproductive time sink, so you do you. My only point is that the ra-ra-we-are-the-best-and-everyone-else-is-just-jealous-and-if-you-disgree-you-are-mentally-ill attitude displayed here doesn't actually fit well with Jewish sources.
DeleteOn why people hated the Jews. Hitler was a very crazy junkie with all sorts of contradictory ideas. For that reason, his best generals spent most of the war plotting against him, and sometimes to kill him. Asking why he hated the Jews is more a of a psychological question. The more relevant question is why he was able to convince a whole country to hate the Jews too. There are all sorts of reasons, and, yes, the legacy of Christian anti-Judaism is part of it. But also a part of it is that people looked around at how Jews were acting and weren't impressed. Let's take one example of thousands. If you were in your 20s in 1933, you remembered from childhood the short-lived Soviet Bavarian Republic, and you also likely remembered that 2 out of 3 leaders of it were Jewish. And you probably also remembered that one of said leaders said it was a good thing that there were milk shortages because it menat more bourgeois children would starve to death. Do you think the memory of a famous Jew saying you should have been starved to death as a child might influence your receptiveness to blaming Jews for all your problems *just a bit*? Saying "Jews were over-represented in MANY areas, including the sciences" doesn't really cut it. Arabs in Israel are over-represented among friendly employees in pharmacies, but most Israelis focus on the terrorism.
I know it doesn't seem this way to you, but I'm the moderate here. I don't think Jews are always in the wrong, or always responsible for everything that goes wrong in the way you think gentiles are. Sometimes is 50-50, sometimes its 20-80, sometimes its 80-20. Each historical situation has to be judged on its own.
Its obvious that Jews have a big influence on America, and logically, on balance, it must be negative or positive. That partly depends on your values. If you value highly economic dynamism, you are likely to take a more positive evaulation, if you value cultural stability, less so. The function of establishment Jewish advocacy, however, is precisely to jump on anyone who starts making that kind of calculation, It's just objectively true that this increases, not decreases, the numbers of potentially violent hardcore Jew haters. Now, maybe you'll say it's better to have a small population of major anti-semites than a larger population of mild anti-semites. It's certainly better for *some* Jews. But there is nothing reprehensible about me pointing this out, here of all places. (I agree fwiw, that Reuven should not be splurging this all over YouTube)
It's got to be messianic times. A black man praising racist Nazi Germany based on a rabbi denouncing the Jews!
ReplyDeleteI understand your position on this, but I really think we should be using what little energy the moderates have to stop the real danger for AM Yisrael: ben gvir.
ReplyDeleteHow can Israel protest hatred, racism and anti-semitism in others when we have a racist right at the top of our government?
What will we say when the world condemns us of racism? And they will be right. Ben gvir whips his followers into 'death to arabs' frenzied. How can Israel take the moral high ground now?
“Ben gvir whips his followers into 'death to arabs' frenzied”
DeleteWhen was this? You might want to cite sources when impugning such a large segment of Israeli society
I'm impugninh two people.
DeleteBen gvir who is a racist ( https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ben-gvir-toning-down-extremist-views-in-pre-election-trick-says-his-party-member/
https://twitter.com/freyisrael1/status/1360641783403868162
And second Bibi for legitimising racism in the Knesset.
My point is that now the world k own that Jews and Israel see anti Arab hatred as totally acceptable. So how can we complain when Kanye west meets trump? Or when rabbi reuven says something dumb? Or anything really. We need to out our own house in order first.
I always find it entertaining that the very guy who once claimed that the Charedi commenters are illiterate and incapable of writing properly is in fact one of the most incoherent commenters on this site!
DeleteMaybe you can get some writing lessons from happygolucky or Shimshon.
Putz. I'm writing from my phone so there are many errors due to that, rather than being simply ignorant. I am perfectly capable of writing properly when needed. Unlike the many haredim out there who just don't have the skills.
DeleteBut why don't you address the ikkar rather than the tefel?
Israel really is now open to criticism of being openly racist.
Not a fan - without getting into whether the source you provided establishes Ben gvir as a rabid, irredeemable racist, you may want to review what you wrote again and amend or retract as necessary. Specifically you mentioned:
Delete“Ben gvir whips his followers into 'death to arabs' frenzied”
And I asked for a source for that because it impugns the hundreds of thousands of Israelis that voted for him.
You then say you’re only impugning Ben gvir and Netanyahu but the statement above flies in the face of that.
I think in your zeal and absolutely self certainty to paint Ben gvir as the devil incarnate you’re losing all sense of objectivity and coming out with baseless and unhinged rantings.
Only because you are making an extension of my words - that I didn't make. I didn't say 'his voters', rather 'his followers '.
DeleteHis core group of kahanists, the ones who on the marches through East Jerusalem sing 'death to arabs'; or the ones who are bitterly disappointed with his (fake) recent more moderate stance rather than saying what he really means and what he used to say until a year or so ago; the ones who he defends in court for attacking Palestinians, or the ones who dance with knives at weddings or who see baruch goldstein as a martyr: the ones who voted for him in previous elections when he got hardly any seats before bibi gave him a hechsher in exchange for a get out of jail free card. Those are his followers. That's the real ben gvir. And now, sadly, it's the real government of Israel.
Every movement has its extremists. You probably didn’t make similar hysterical rantings about the extremist fringe on the left aligned with meretz or avoda in the last government.
DeleteThe question is how large and how influential the extremist element is in the party. Bottom line take a few breaths and calm down.
Oh and you’d have to back up your characterization of Ben gvir’s being a fake in his current incarnation. Otherwise there’s no choice other than to take your breathless rantings with a grain of salt.
Ha ha! That's the very same excuse that the Charedi commenter that you accused of being illiterate gave. But the fact is that almost ALL your comments are riddled with mistakes. And I actually find the majority of the Charedi commenters here to be quite articulate. Happy is the most eloquent of all commenters across the spectrum, hands down!
DeleteDouble putz.
@ Head, what extremist fringe on the left? Who are you referring to, and what makes them extreme? I disagree with the far left on many things, but I have yet to hear of them marching in the street chanting calls of death to an ethnic group. Unless youre referring to certain members of the Arab parties (though not ra'am) who have supported terrorism. But that wasn't your implication, referring to Labor and Meretz.
DeleteHead, your comment is simply making excuses..
Delete1. What about the left? We are taking about the racist right. Deal with that issue and don't deflect.
2. Proof he's a fake? I just posted two links in a previous comment. The one from twis exactly that proof.
3. Every group has extremists. Of course, but the extremists are supposed to be kept on the fringe, condemned and mocked for their simplistic fundamentalism. The problem. Here is that Bibi tries to make them legitimate and puts them in the Knesset. Fortunately Israeli society is rising up to protest this. And even the Likud is beginning to realise that it was a mistake to let bibi do this just to get himself out of jail and now he has to deal with the consequences. Ben Gvir's policies will be dangerous and will have tragic results. That's why bibi keeps saying "I will be in charge and not the extremists" or "Israel won't be ruled by the Talmud". Well if so, why did he bring these people (bengvir, smotrich and maoz) in, only to have to stop them doing what they want to do?
'The one from twis exactly that proof.'
DeleteHuh?
*the one from twitter was...
DeleteWow! No mistakes!
DeletePbj between you and head we have had 'deflection', a 'straw man' and ' playing the man not the ball'.
DeleteIt seems you don't have any good arguments and that we can all agree that Bibi has actually made Israel a state that officially licenses racism.
We can all be so proud of him.
Huh? Did I ever say I disagree with that? I'm not Israeli and don't get too caught up in the politics there, but yes, Ben Gvir is a nut job and it's extremely dangerous to have him in the government. I was just pointing out that it's amusing to me that you once tried painting all commenters from a certain sector as mistake-prone whereas you yourself seem to be incapable of posting a comment without multiple errors. That's all.
DeleteNot a fan, I tried publishing my opinions about Ben Gvir twice, but for some strange reason, Slifkin is not letting it through! Suffice it to say, I agree with you about the man, and then some. Let's see if this makes it through.
DeleteSo very very very sad. We cannot even agree who is the enemy at our gates. Makes me think about out previous exiles.
ReplyDeleteOur only enemy is our lack of achdut, our lack of unity. What will cut the orleh (head shell) from our hearts so we can see each other as brothers and sisters?
There cannot be unity between people so diverse as the Jews.
DeleteWow yeah
DeleteYou are almost as obsessed with Trump as you are with Charedim. The issue de jour in twitter-follower circles is Kanye West, and yet somehow you shtip in Trump's name not once, but twice. You need professional help.
ReplyDeleteApparently you are unaware that the former and possible future president met with both West and Fuentes and refused to denounce them. For anyone other than Trump fans, this is a big deal.
DeleteTrump just called for the termination of the US Constitution!
DeleteCharlie: Well, he didn't actually, did he? That's the talking point. Like many things Trump supposedly said but never did, it becomes "the truth" because it's a talking point.
DeleteTrump says and does a lot of stupid things, but it doesn't help to just make things up.
Nachum. He did. He really, really did. Your continued defense of him after he hired actual Nazis like Gorka and the vile KAPO Miller to cabinet-level.posts is nauseating
DeleteNachum:
DeleteHe didn't say that? These were his words:
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution".
I think he is saying that pretty clearly!
@PB&J
DeleteA distinction without a difference.
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution".
As a neutral observer - It reads to me like a justification for the "storming of the Capitol Building". Quite literally the former President is say that SINCE this fraud has occurred, the Constitution is now effectively defunct. Let's take that statement in the best possibly light - It still remains to prove that the fraud has been committed.
But since Trump actually pushes the theory that a fraud has taken place - he is effectively say the constitution no longer constrains his actions.
"I think he is saying that pretty clearly!"
DeleteDon't forget that it's not you or me saying it. When "normal" people say things, it's appropriate to make normal inferences from the statements. When Trump says something, all conventional inferences go out the window. Trump's speech is even more inscrutable than Humpty Dumpty who said, " 'When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'' Trump uses words, but he doesn't use meanings.
That being the case, when most politicians (and the media covering this "story") talk reverently about the constitution, they're mean the Humpty Dumpty constitution, not the James Madison constitution.
Yossi, that's not the context that he was saying it in. He said that now the Musk Twitter file leak somehow 'shows' that the election was 'stolen' from him, he is calling for himself to be reinstated immediately.
DeleteWow! I love how people bend themselves in pretzels with all types of 'exegeses' to try to be melamed zchus on Trump. He may as well call for someone to be shot in the middle of 5th Ave (his own words) and his sycophants will have his back why it's OK.
מי כעמך ישראל!
Teliner, you didn't notice that I, um, condemned him up there?
DeleteGorka is not a Nazi. And calling Miller a kapo (which, by the way, is a not an abbreviation) is vile. Why, just because he has different policy ideas than you?
PB&J: Articles are *only* found in the Constitution. Really, parsing Trump's belches for real meaning?
Nachum:
DeleteYou made the spurious claim that Trump never said it. I simply showed that he DID say it. The fact that he made an error in his figure of speech just raises (another) question about his ignorance. It does not lead me to assume that he was not serious. Whether he 'really meant' it or not is not something I am capable of crawling inside his brain and seeing, although I tend to believe that people mean what they say, especially when it is unhelpful to them in a PR sense, and they have nothing to gain by lying. And certainly Trump, who has shown a tremendous disregard towards subjugation to rules and law and seems to care ONLY about his ego.
By admission of those very close to him, on Jan 6 he sat and watched the rioters breaking into the capitol and initially refused to do anything despite Jared and Ivanka begging him to do so. And now he is calling on himself to be reinstated!
The extent that his sycophants will go to justify him is remarkable!
That's right Nachum, a person's policy ideas do in fact make all the difference. That, combined with other shady things like promoting books such as Camp of the Saints and sites like VDARE, makes kapo an apt description of Miller.
DeleteKapos persecuted Jews (or many did). Being quite familiar with the two sources you mention, I don't see how promoting either of them adds up to persecuting Jews.
DeleteHow about getting him and Yosef Mizrachi off of Torah Anytime
ReplyDeleteAccording to something I once read somewhere (don't recall where), although they have removed Yaron Reuven, torahanytime will not be taking down Mizrahi, because he was the rabbi that caused the two owners to become frum. But they don't post his incendiary 'shiurim'.
DeleteReuven is still on Torah Anytime. His name doesn’t appear in the speakers list but if you do a search a lot of his videos come up. I just checked.
DeleteI was close with the brothers years before they started TA. I wish they would treat Mizrachi as Rabbi Meir did Acher.
DeleteIt is a good thing that you bring this to people's attention and I hope that the word spreads to counter the foolish rants of this "rabbi."
ReplyDeleteI vehemently disagree with the idea of forcefully having his videos removed. We need to stop trying to fight other people's lies with force and instead use truths to expose the falsehoods and light to battle darkness. Silencing others is a slippery slope to barbarism. I'm sure that there are many people who believe that this blog is a danger to society and would like it shut down. Free speech is essential.
Amen.
DeleteNo, this blog doesn't justify the murder of millions or say things like "I would kill so-and-so if I could." Criticizing the behavior of a particular group is not at all the same as calling for their extinction. This is an important distinction to understand.
DeleteLies, manipulations, conspiracy theories, hatred, scapegoating, and racism have enhanced virality compared to truths, forthrightness and honesty about uncertainty, evidence based commentary, love, inclusivity, and treating everyone equally.
DeleteNo amount of more speech would have stopped the late night death threats to the Sandy Hook parents. The only thing that worked is removing the offending speech by suing the (British) pants off Alex Jones.
I can think of at least two reasons for this. 1) Real life is hard work and boring and 2) humans evolved from tribes of warring apes to the current, fragile standards of the consistent and peaceful rule of law.
There's a reason why the antisemitic myth hasn't been talked out of existence, and it has nothing to do with the misdeeds of the Jews.
Free speech implies the freedom of private citizens and corporations to censor and remove content they consider offensive, and so long as the state is not involved in the censorship it is simple decency to do so. To force Google or Facebook to publish hatred and racism is offensive forced speech, and it is a shame that Rabbi Dr Slifkin actively chooses to do so on this very page.
This claim about the dangers of his video is bunk. This video and the others are not available anymore on social media platforms.
ReplyDeleteHere it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uISqw9bNwc
DeleteThank you for this post. I just sent an email with the following text:
ReplyDelete"To whom it may concern,
I am writing this email to ask the RAA to condemn Rabbi Yaron Reuven for his hateful and inaccurate comments about the Holocaust, and to distance itself from him. In this climate of rising Antisemitism, Jew haters are turning to his videos for 'proof' that the Nazis ys"v were justified in their slaughter of six million kedoshim. This type of speech has no place under the umbrella of Orthodoxy or any form of Judaism."
Stop whitewashing Trump by soft-peddling his "failure to denounce" Fuentes. He knew Fuentes would be there because nobody gets to see him without Secret Service vetting. He personally hired actual Nazis like Gorcka and the unspeakable KAPO Miller in high level positions. He is a friend and catamite to fascist mass murderers like Putin and Bolsonaro. He has made numerous public anti-Semitic statements over the years. His entire appeal is to White Nationalism. Compared to that one wannabe muscling rabbi is nothing
ReplyDeleteAccording to an article by Ami magazine's White House correspondent Jake Turx, security at Mar-a-Lago is not all that it's cracked up to be and he's personally seen random strangers who Trump never met before walk over to him, even while he is in the middle of dinner out on the patio, and schmooze with him.
DeleteI guess if they had the countries most classified secrets in an unlocked storage room in the public pool area, it wouldn't exactly come as a great surprise.
And BTW, Miller was not a 'Kapo'. That is a denigration to the Holocaust and its victims. He may be an immigration hardliner and believes that borders are supposed to... gasp... be secure and keep out illegal immigrants! (Remember in the good ol' simple Bush days when they were called 'illegal aliens' by both Democrats and Republicans alike??) But he is not an anti-Semite or any other type of racist, despite the media attempting to portray him as such.
Desantis 2024!!
Chazal tell us כל לא ידענא פשיעותא היא
Delete"He knew Fuentes would be there because nobody gets to see him without Secret Service vetting"
DeleteI thought the Secret Service is supposed to provide physical protection. I didn't know they also have to protect him from ruining his career by.
Ron Desantis - you bought into the spin. Miller was not merely against illegal immigration, he was against legal immigration. He decimated the INS, firing most competent workers and leaving behind the incompetent ones. Thanks to him, the backlog of legal applications ballooned and wait times more than doubled.
DeleteMiller is a xenophobe and a dangerous one. Economically his policies made no sense.
The use of the word Kapo in this context is unacceptable. You can make your point about Trump and his coterie, Jewish or Gentile, without using that sort of language.
DeleteI have frequently been singled out as a Kapo by commenters like Frank on this blog who think it is OK to target Jews they politically disagree with with deliberately Nazi language. It isn't OK. It is racially tinged abuse.
You’re mistaken hat. I’ve never called you a kapo. I’ve called you a useful idiot and said that you want yehuda and shomron, Hebron etc judenrein.
DeleteYou tend to get all hot under the collar when the term judenrein is used but are less bothered by advocating policies that effectively lead to that. So as I like to say… if the hat fits…
Correct, Frank, and I apologise. However you used the crass term "Holocaust borders" to describe the borders Israel successfully defended in two major wars.
DeleteAgain not exactly correct. It would have been Auschwitz borders not holocaust borders. A term coined by abba eban if I’m not mistaken and many other government officials since.
DeleteSo I think I’m in good company and don’t retract and will continue to use when appropriate in future as it reflects a certain reality (I know not your strong suit but stick with me) about strategic advantage and the necessity for Israel to be victorious.
Yes, let's talk about reality.
DeleteWhen the Germans used the state military force to steal, dispossess, murder, exterminate and deported Jews they declared the areas "Judenrein."
Your analogy to my to objections to when Israel uses its military force to literally steal private land off private Arab citizens, and put Jewish civillian home owners there is obscene.
Israel is the perpetrator of the abuse of its military might.
Clearly, you have learned nothing about justice from the last 2,000 years of being an abused minority at the mercy of the brutish Franks.
There you go again espousing your useful idiot sentiments. True to form. Well done. You're on track for winning "useful idiot of the year".
DeleteYou have been caught using an obscene and disgusting analogy . You cannot argue the facts, so you resort to vague insults. Even you know you are unjustifiable but you lack the moral strength to apologise for trivialising the Holocaust.
DeletePut those distraction tactic insults in the space provided below for Holocaust minimising deplorable useful idiots.
I'll be back to rub your face in your own cheapening of your own people's suffering when you're done. Nothing you can say it do still change that apart from apologising which you are constitutionally incapable of.
What blather by an unabashed Israel hater and spewer of delusional ideas that always, but always, seeks to cast Israel in the worst possible light.
DeleteAre you also going to denounce abba eban and the many government issues for trivializing the holocaust ?
I’m not even going to hope for any type of contrition on your part for the spreading of vile lies about Israel and Israelis. As that would require a certain degree of being grounded in reality which as mentioned earlier is not your strong suit. Oh and also - not a pathological hate for the country.
I look forward to dismantling your future inane ideas (given time and energy - defeating Israel’s enemies does unfortunately require those commodities). But small favor - next time can you try and stay on topic rather than spraying your smear gun all over the place?
This is a thread about Jewish useful idiots who engage with the tactics and ideas of antisemites.
DeleteFrank's Holocaust cheapening language in support of the occupation is squarely relevant.
For those interested in a fact based discussion about the land theft of the occupation, the Elon Moreh decision of Israel's own court is there for people who aren't compulsive liars to read. Frank however smears, insults, and cannot argue facts. Frank is not interested in a fact based discussion.
Normally I wouldn't take such umbrage to little men arguing in bad faith.
However what makes this vile is how he hides behind the skirts of the immoral slaughter of our grandparents to cover up a different immorality - his support for land theft.
He is obviously incapable of justifying his actions if the only thing you can say in your defence is that a named individual also invested in the Occupation also used appalling language.
I'm done wiping your face in your own dirt. Bring further shame on yourself and the state of Israel and its politicians with your appalling metaphors in the space below - I won't be engaging any further.
I didn’t hear you - are you also going to condemn abba eban and the many government officials who have used that term? All the tedious and meaningless blather. You’re rather like your fellow “from the Jordan to the sea Palestine will be free” brethren inventing all kinds of atrocities and think volume and irrational tirades is a solid form of argumentation.
DeleteI’m done engaging with a useful idiot who sees siding with the enemies of Israel as some kind of virtuous gesture. I won’t be engaging any further.
OK. I have finally banned Shimshon. His latest comments would have made Goebbels proud.
ReplyDeleteIs only anti Jewish hate banned?
DeleteI'll miss the Conspiracies.
DeleteDid he make the fatal mistake of not directing his hate exclusively at Chareidim?
I hate Hats. I think everyone should only wear a kippa. Hats are a made-up Haredi invention.
DeleteSays the guy who regularly demonizes the entire haredi world and everyone in it with a broad brush.
Delete@YWTS, it's one thing to condone mass murder, and something else to want the Haredi world to go to work, participate in the army, even if wrongly.
DeleteAnd where on your scale goes the person who years ago called RDS with a death threat, some time after a published citation that Kofrim are Moridim V'lo Maalim.
Congratulations, you split a hair! Correct, Slifkin isn't doing condoning mass murder. Guess that means demonizing Charedis just fine, even demonization is one step before persecution and worse. So great, Slifkin isn't condoning mass murder, only giving fodder for those who would. Great guy.
DeleteI don't condone demonization and death threats even against Jews I dislike and disagree with. I'm consistent. Slifkin isn't and neither are you. Besides, if everyone unemployed worked and paid more taxes, your life wouldn't improve. The money would disappear into the pockets of the government and their buddies like it does anyway. It's just an excuse to bash Charedim. You hate the ones who work and pay taxes just as much. I'm also sure you do exercise every loophole to minimize your taxes, even though you think it's such a big mitzva worth demonizing people over. So you're all full of it.
DeleteCongratulations yourself. If you want to vent/say RDS is a demonizer go ahead. Don't confuse that with the current discussion. Wait for a different post.
DeleteAs for the rest of your comment, hock nit kein tshainik. Schreibst a langen filchin. What do you know? I don't pay taxes but you know all about me and my loopholes ha ha, & RDS subjects Charedim to persecution & worse (whatever that is), and is "giving fodder for those who would" "condon[e] mass murder" ha ha ha.
My how some people feel threatened. Let him speak against my tax free life. Chill.
BTW, Shimshon had some fabulous comments between his rantings so I held back from criticizing him. A pity he had no filter. Cheers Shimshon. Good luck to you.
Yeah, and I "hate the ones who work" ha ha ha. Some more reading comprehension saves much wasted breath.
DeleteYaron Reuven has many other youtube videos that show he is clearly unhinged. He appears to be a bad person who hides behind his rabbinical degree.
ReplyDeleteWe should try to convince Rabbi Reuven to stop teaching what we perceive as wrong instead of banning him. Voltaire said, “I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
ReplyDeleteA guy who’s been whining non-stop for 15 years about his books being banned advocating to shut other people down. Nothing new, either. That kind of hypocrisy pretty much sums you up, does it not?
ReplyDeleteThe difference between hero and villain is choice of cause.
DeleteI've never been against book-banning.
DeleteI differ quite strongly from RNS but I think he's quite right to refuse to publish Shimshon's unpleasant contributions. He's not censoring Shimshon or denying Shimshon's right to free speech. Shimshon can publish elsewhere. RNS is simply refusing to publish Shimshon's obnoxious views on his own blog.
ReplyDeleteI agree in part. The Rabbi Doctor is limiting, and therefore censoring and partially denying Shimshon's speech. He is entirely right to do so. The world is not Shimshon's toilet.
DeleteSince Shimshon and other seem to know why the Holocaust happened. Maybe the people who think like him can explain why black where enslaved in the USA and other places?
ReplyDeleteWhat did they do, to piss off hashem?